Jaron Lukas: How to Boost Your Dog's Lifespan with the Right Fats | E22

[00:00:00] 10 years ago, we really didn't understand that our gut health was literally linked to everything from our dogs. Life span to whether or not they're going to have allergies when it comes to my own allergies,

[00:00:13] you know, one of the things that we find in my microbiome is that there's a complete class of bacteria that's not there. So, you know, that's pretty interesting. What like how is that bacteria processing maybe like foods on a allergic to, you know, that

[00:00:30] is not happening when I eat them. So, same goes for our dogs. Welcome to The Pet Care Report podcast by Pet Summits. Here's your natural dog health care host, Alora McKinley. Well, welcome.

[00:00:51] It's nice to have you guys joining me again for another episode of The Pet Care Report. Now I think almost every pet parent would want their dog to live a long and healthy life and that usually includes giving them a really good quality diet.

[00:01:05] And we are constantly learning about how we can improve our dog's longevity just by tweaking their diet. And to chat about this further, I'm joined by Darren Lucas, who is the CEO and the founder of the non-GMO brand, Yamworth.

[00:01:18] Their premium air dried food is personalized for every dog's breed driven by data analytics and 250 clinical studies. Here's also the author of the K9 Cocoa Magra Effect. The previously founded the VACI back to Fiendtech startup, Coincidup, which he sold in 2016.

[00:01:36] He worked for JP Morgan and graduated from Rice University on the president's honor role. Welcome to The podcast, Darren. Thank you so much. That's quite the intro. And don't forget, we actually also have Sherlock here too. So, we'll he'll be here with us for the interview as well.

[00:01:54] Welcome. Now something that really fascinated me was actually the title of your book. As Cocoa Magra Suite of that is something that's a bit foreign to me. Can you explain what it is?

[00:02:04] Yeah, well, you know, the reason I wrote a book to begin with is because I learned that all of my skin allergies were actually food allergies. So doctors are giving me all sorts of worse and worse medicine getting to the point where

[00:02:23] they're like shooting me up with corticosteroids, which worked for a bit until I didn't. So, and then things of course got way worse. And so once I realized I just did a food elimination diet, realized that, oh, like if

[00:02:36] I just don't eat nuts, seeds and eggs, I am totally fine. That really got me on this deep dive where I really kind of leveraged my obsessive personality and my data analytics background to read 3,000 clinical studies.

[00:02:54] And one of the things that I found really interesting was this new research showing that combining coconut oil and omega 3s have the synergistic effects on each other, resulting in biomarkers that are associated with longevity, such as microbiome diversity being a primary one of them.

[00:03:19] And so ultimately better gut health, but also longevity and reduced inflammation. So for all of these dogs who have a lot of different inflammation related health issues, whether that's allergies, that can be skin related issues.

[00:03:36] It could be diabetes and obesity too, which are also things that many people don't realize our inflammatory issues. All of these pretty much most of the health issues can be benefited by combining these to what I've called coconut omega super fats.

[00:03:53] So the book goes in deep, we start in kind of with what fats not to feed your dogs such as seed oils and why that is. This has been a hotly debated topic on my Instagram this year.

[00:04:11] I've actually had a few posts blow up but the seed oil topic is one that more and more people are learning about their very high in omega 6s and then when you put those into dry kibble they become oxidized turning into free radicals.

[00:04:28] We can go deeper into that later, but I'm really passionate with when it comes to young wolf's pet food, young wolf. We have been kind of obsessive about the ingredients that are going to go into our food and

[00:04:42] a lot of those are really linked to what's been reflected in the clinical studies in my book and yeah, you won't find any seed oils there. Yeah and I can tell you've done so much research into it.

[00:04:53] Do you mind sharing what some of the science is behind it? Yeah definitely. Well funny enough, I like to joke that Hills pet nutrition has terrible food but a great research department and a lot of this recent research has actually been done with Hills.

[00:05:14] A lot of it's also been done out of Texas A&M and then I mean various other universities as well. But we're based in Austin so it's really cool to see Texas A&M also just taking, you know,

[00:05:27] a lot of people know that they have a great animal nutrition department but it really is true. They're really on the forefront especially on a lot of this research that's being done around

[00:05:37] fats. Yeah it you know we point to 162 clinical studies in my book that really support this thesis around the CocoMega effect but and one of the cool thing is is just in the research that's been

[00:05:52] done today and again this is, there's a lot of research about omega 3s, there's a lot of research about coconut oil which is another hotly debated topic in the industry. There are people who I won't

[00:06:05] name who, you know, used to be for it and now are strongly against it but I believe I've probably read every single research report that exists up to May 2023 on coconut oil and MCTs that

[00:06:24] exists and, you know there there are a couple of research studies that have been done the shown that it may have no effect but there certainly aren't any that show in dogs that there

[00:06:36] is any negative effects. So there's to my knowledge never been a single research study done the shows that coconut oil has a negative effect on dogs. There are a couple out there that show

[00:06:47] that it may questionably not have any effect and then the gross majority of them all show positive benefits and that again is benefits on so for instance one benefit that coconut oil had in one

[00:07:01] research study was a probiotic like effect. So the loric acid in in the coconut oil actually by killing effectively killing the bad gut bacteria in in the digestive tract allowed that space to refill with good bacteria. That was just one study but what we find

[00:07:23] across all the studies is it basically again led to this microbiome diversity which is really the key biomarker we look at in microbiome research which of course is a new area of study it's only about 10 years old but that's why it's so exciting because you know 10 years ago

[00:07:40] we really didn't understand that our gut health was literally linked to everything from our dogs life span to whether or not they're going to have allergies when it comes to my own allergies

[00:07:53] you know one of the things that we find in my microbiome is that there's a complete class of bacteria that's not there so you know that's pretty interesting what like how is that like bacteria processing maybe like foods on a allergic to you know that is not happening

[00:08:11] when I eat them so same goes for our dogs you know the research out there on all this is super super interesting and then another thing that we we also see in the research for the people who

[00:08:25] like to kind of debate me on the seed oils you know first off the omega six is were shown to be pro inflammatory increasing the production of certain inflammatory molecules such as PGE2 being like one of the really common ones that that's talked about in

[00:08:42] research you know omega threes when we get the balance rate they're shown to actually decrease the production of PGE2 decrease inflammatory biomarkers in the body and so that's why getting

[00:08:55] one of the other kind of big results that we come to in my book is I we want to make sure that in our dogs we keep the omega three to omega six balance pro correct and we we really

[00:09:12] want to target a one to one omega three to six balance when you look at just for an example uh most fresh dog food today has a um one to six omega three to six balance meaning for every one

[00:09:26] anti inflammatory molecule we have six inflammatory molecules um doesn't sound too good it it's not um you know and it does cost more to have more anti inflammatory fat ratios unfortunately dry kibble is even worse dry kibble is a one to 16 you know so for every anti inflammatory

[00:09:51] three there's a 16 inflammatory sixes that's the same as American fast food so that's the majority of dry kibble um it's why I always tell people like you know please stop feeding your dog dry

[00:10:05] kibble unfortunately a lot of pet parents especially probably many of the ones who are going to be watching this interview and carried at this level are probably not feeding dry kibble anymore

[00:10:15] but I still talk to a lot of pet parents every week who tell me you know oh but don't worry I'm feeding my dog a high quality dry kibble and I'm like I love you but uh I have to tell

[00:10:29] you there is no such thing as a non inflammatory dry kibble and the reason is is because the hot extrusion cooking process oxidizes all those fats turning them into free radicals so

[00:10:42] you know there's a reason why when we switch our dog off of dry kibble alone they live two years longer at least and um and then there's a lot more we can do you know for dogs who like

[00:10:52] are suffering from any sort of inflammation um which is really covered in my book and it comes down to all these fats that we feed our dogs. That's so interesting because I was wondering why

[00:11:02] dry kibble was so high if they use quote like I know some kibble's like to use coconut oil does that still change with the extrusion process? Well luckily coconut oil doesn't oxidize that easily

[00:11:17] so that that is a benefit and let's say that you had a dry kibble and it did have coconut oil in it I mean it's gonna have all sorts of problems in it it will have those oxidized fats it will

[00:11:28] have probably lots of other crappy ingredients but um but as far as the cocoa mega effect goes if if the omega threes are kept intact and you know so that would hopefully come from something

[00:11:40] like fish oil hopefully a pet parent might supplement that after because though yeah if you if you put fish oil into a hot extrusion machine it's definitely gonna oxidize so I mean people

[00:11:52] are concerned enough about like the salmon oil you get in a bottle to your house oxidizing because it was like shipped in heat and like was in the bottle for six months like which is a real concern

[00:12:06] so definitely if you throw it through like this like high pressure grinding machine that like you know cooks at that 450 degrees like that's gonna oxidize so you know you're you're it's always better to you know go if anyone's trying to achieve this cocoa mega effect it's always better

[00:12:26] to kind of do it of course with minimally processed food a lot of times if you don't see the fish oil in your dog's food we can supplement that we can also supplement the MCT oil or the

[00:12:39] coconut oil you can really choose either one but you just want to make sure that the MCT oil has loric acid so a lot of people for instance like anyone who goes on keto is gonna be looking for an

[00:12:53] MCT oil that does not have loric acid and you know a lot of times it's looked at as in that community is kind of a throw away ingredient or something that you wouldn't want and there there are

[00:13:05] reasons they view it that way but in the case of producing these microbiome benefits you want the loric acid in there so it's a lot of times just easier to get the coconut oil itself but yeah for

[00:13:17] anyone who wants to go deep on on that like MCT versus coconut oil you can read my book both they're gonna produce the effect though yeah so that was that's a good point so for

[00:13:28] parents that are wanting to increase their dog's longevity and give them this benefit how can they do that you mentioned coconut oil is anything else they can do yeah well the first step is looking

[00:13:39] at the cooking method of of our dog's food of course and you know I just I just always really encourage people to understand that like if you are currently feeding dry kibble like there

[00:13:52] there is a hard stop there like you're not it's like feeding feeding someone Cheerios every day who has diabetes and and saying like okay well what can I add to my my person's Cheerios

[00:14:07] so that they like get over this diabetes it's just like not gonna happen for all the reasons but like let's just start with the fact they'll like they need to eat a salad so you know the first

[00:14:19] thing is really just getting to the fresh food one of you know they're definitely looking for a lower carb dog food is also important keeping the carbs under 30% I personally try to keep Sherlock's under 20% you know going beyond that doesn't seem to be necessary according to the

[00:14:39] research that that's a whole other can of worms but dogs for for instance when I see things like keto dog food you know like a lot of people who go on a diet like keto understand okay well

[00:14:54] like maybe a high carb diet is a bad thing for my dog you know they grew up as carnivores but out in the wild so you know if we look at that is kind of a you know just maybe something that

[00:15:06] their dog their bodies biologically adapted to is maybe this lower carb diet okay I want that for my dog but the problem with keto dog food is actually dogs don't enter ketosis the same way humans do just

[00:15:20] set fly eye for all the all the pet parents out there like it dogs would have to starve for three days to enter ketosis it's like not a lifestyle for them like it is for some humans it's like literally

[00:15:32] just like they would have to starve for three days so you know keto dog foods are a bit of a scam in my opinion but but the low carb aspect of it is very important so you know some of the things that

[00:15:44] people point I'm not a raw feeder the the the the the microbiome research shows pretty unanimously that even though dogs have a lower pH and their stomachs and that you know will help kill some

[00:15:58] bacteria that when you look at the microbiome of a raw fed dog versus something like air dried they have more pathogens in their microbiome and that's bad like you know when we look at

[00:16:11] the microbiome pathogens bad and like good bacteria good there all sorts of ratios that can be used for instance there's like a bead of eff ratio if you want to if anyone wants to look into that

[00:16:25] but yeah it it it it it's really important how we cook our dogs food to start and and then keeping it low carb so I mean the raw diet does get it right in a lot of ways like looking

[00:16:40] to organ meet to get a lot of the vitamins and minerals is a really good practice I believe for both dogs and humans the really great benefit dogs have is they love the taste of organ

[00:16:54] I find very few humans like it including myself I wish I liked it more I was cutting up these beef these beef liver chunks and keeping in my freezer every day and eating them like a vitamin

[00:17:07] and it just got to a point where I was like man I hate my life doing this right uh what luckily dog thank you I try I try to you know do weird things but luckily luckily dogs love it so

[00:17:24] we actually have a whole line that's about to come out called perfect super food where we've really taken that nose to tail feeding kind of mentality this is gonna be our new grain free line at

[00:17:35] young wolf so you know really taking nose to tail feeding mentality getting nose and that ics getting all the vitamins and minerals from the organ meets and but then air drying it so

[00:17:50] keeping the nutrients but getting rid of the pathogens uh the right balance that I I like personally or you know really fits the way I think about these things and then you know it also fits

[00:18:01] the microbiome research because again I'd say the the last thing for people to really understand is um you know if if we if we want to improve our dogs longevity uh the main thing we want to do

[00:18:17] is increase microbiome diversity so there are there are different ways to do that definitely like a strict um raw diet is also not the best for that like fiber is super important um you know a

[00:18:32] lot of people also um will will question whether dogs need fiber and um first off we can just look to like win dogs eat grass um which which is technically a grain by the way but uh we as so you know

[00:18:49] that's that's more to think about um but you know dogs eat fiber they ate fiber in there ancestral diet and and fibers like super super important for all aspects of gut health and then

[00:19:03] the soluble fiber is really what is feeding and this is another thing I talk about in my book here is when we feed our dog soluble fibers and there are lots of types of them but in Yelen would be an

[00:19:15] example of it it turns in it's converted into microbiome into short chain fatty acids and when those are then combined with these cocoa mega super fats they actually have an additional boosting effect so they increase the absorption of all the omega threes um they have other synergistic properties

[00:19:36] with each other and that and so it's just it's really good to know it's really cool stuff if we're for anyone who's like really trying to get extra years out of their dog's life you know raw let's

[00:19:50] look at you know some of the benefits there let's use a little apply a little common sense like definitely getting uh vitamins and minerals from natural organs is going to make a lot more sense

[00:20:01] than like synthetic that have been like carved out of a rock and um and there are reasons to believe that too like you know a lot a lot of research showing how how that can be like tied to kidney

[00:20:17] issues it's weird but the way vitamins and minerals work in the body is is honestly like mind blowing and we're the icing is yeah it's so weird but yeah it's um you know definitely adding uh the right

[00:20:34] fats to our dog's diet cooking in the right way keeping it low carb to reduce inflammation those those are the key takeaways that I would hope to share with pet parents who want to help their dogs

[00:20:46] live longer yep and if pepperants wanted to add some healthy fats what can they do to their food the first thing to do is to read your dogs label and make sure there aren't any seed oils in there

[00:21:00] so seed oils and and the the biggest ones we tend to find in pet food uh because when we talk about seed oils um there are a few kinds of seed oils that are okay like sesame oil fine you don't

[00:21:14] actually find in pet food very often um we would also look at like hemp seed oil which um that's fine it's really these highly processed ones that are high in omega 6 so the the worse

[00:21:31] three offenders are safflower oil sunflower oil and canola oil and um they're uh globally canola oil is also known as rape seed oil slightly different version of it pretty much the same thing

[00:21:47] so uh if those are in our dog's diet at all like they're they're causing all sorts of havoc and um everything from like they're probably already oxidized and full of free radicals to the

[00:21:58] fact that they're like throwing all the omega 3 to 6 ratios off you know some of these topics that we we touched on earlier um the you know if if we don't get rid of what's bad first then

[00:22:11] it's really hard to get things right um so that's the first step um and then adding omega 3s and coconut oil are really the easiest to additions and and we're not talking about a lot we're

[00:22:25] talking about like you know one one to two percent of our dogs daily caloric intake here um you know just just a very little amount of these oils i it can go a long way for anyone who you know

[00:22:40] wild less can see aminoil is definitely kind of like the gold standard in the pet food industry today there are some really interesting algae-based dh's um that are coming out so those those are

[00:22:53] cool and then um for anyone who hates their dogs breath smelling like fish and I certainly uh hate it dogs do seem to love the taste though so like for picky eaters that's good but yeah if you

[00:23:06] hate it when your dog like comes to you and they smell all like salmon oil try cod liver oil instead that um great source of dh a also has a lot of vitamin d our grandparents were right about

[00:23:19] that one cod liver oil is very good stuff yep that's great great tips and then is there anything that pepperants would need to be aware of can any dog have um coconut oil and fish oil yeah it

[00:23:33] you know definitely for dogs with pancreatitis you just want to make sure that this is fitting into or any dog who needs a low fat diet definitely probably want to console with a veterinarian um again

[00:23:45] the problem or the thing to keep in mind here is like our dogs can still have still need fat first off like dogs who need a low fat diet still need fat and the questions what fats are refuting them so

[00:23:58] this can definitely still fit into any dogs diet but you know for for dogs who do have kind of fat sensitivities like that it's always a good idea to make sure that your dog is on a very low

[00:24:12] fat diet before you add more fats and just like making sure that it stays within the range that you're vet once you to have it at yeah that's great so simple so simple for parents just to

[00:24:23] add in at enough few things to really increase their dogs longevity and now with all this research you've done you've created your own dog food brand can you tell us a bit about yummwoth yeah thanks for

[00:24:34] asking you know yummwoth we are just about to turn three years old and um we we make air dry dog food made to very very high high standards our never list is extremely long so you know

[00:24:51] with with our food not only is it you know kind of like all the benefits of fresh food but then low carb which you really don't find in many fresh brands but we're taking all those kind of

[00:25:02] fresh ingredients and then gently air drying them to get rid of moisture and then that keeps it shelf stable so you don't have to refrigerate it you can just like take your hand in the bag

[00:25:13] put in your dogs bowl it's like very very convenient and um and it's filled with all these cocoa mega super fat so it really takes away the need to like figure it out yourself you can just

[00:25:24] kind of leverage the research we've done it's it's all in the food already and again our our never list is very long so no peas legumes rice potatoes rice and potatoes are two ingredients you

[00:25:39] find in almost every dog food and it's because they are so cheap so you know we've really not been willing to cut corners you know it is more expensive to do that but at the end of the day it

[00:25:54] it's just it's gonna be healthier for a dog so I have I you know really just been creating food for sure lock here sure I see fuel turned to the camera you know really really just been trying

[00:26:06] to create food for him and um as a perfectionist you know mix that in there that that's young wolf my my wife and I run it's but we're we're still you know kind of a small family run brand

[00:26:19] and you know just kind of doing things according to our values that's amazing and I left your list of ingredients it was so just so basic and natural yeah it every single ingredient we did

[00:26:32] research on so in addition to and and we probably need to update the numbers on our website but separately from the 162 studies in my book we actually had already done 200 5 shown 250 studies

[00:26:46] that support perfect cable which despite the name is an air dried dog food we may change the names on day but we we had already you know really done research linking all of those ingredients

[00:26:59] to 250 studies for longevity and so yeah it's a passion you know really just I think applying data analytics to pet food has has really had some interesting takeaways for us and

[00:27:13] and so that's one of the reasons we've I think been able to make our food stand out but like you said once you start feeding all natural ingredients it is pretty simple you know it's just figuring

[00:27:26] out what ingredients have like a lot of inflammatory proteins and um uh getting rid of those and then now what you're left with is is still pretty simple common sense ingredients and is the

[00:27:38] amount of suitable to dogs of all ages it is yeah all all life stages or breeds um yeah puppies enough yeah that's awesome now I was looking at your Instagram the other day and I noticed that

[00:27:51] you partnered with the Maui Humane Society and you've made a huge donation for a small business you donated $33,000 worth of food to display dogs on the island of Maui can you tell us

[00:28:04] a bit more about about that amazing work you've done yeah and thank you so much for mentioning that this has been a crazy couple of weeks so we like you said we we just donated $33,000

[00:28:19] of dog food and actually because a few media outlets have covered us we've actually raised nearly 10k and we're we're trying to raise 60 but we've already raised 10k to send even more food there

[00:28:32] but this initial donation was us like I said we're a small family brand this certainly was a lot of money for us um it's the first major donation that I've ever made in my life uh for and I speak

[00:28:46] for both my wife on it and I it's been very fulfilling you know I've kind of been on this like year and a half long personal journey of figuring out what the deeper impact I wanted to make on

[00:28:59] the world is and one thing I figured out because that we're lovers of the planet and one of the things that I unfortunately figured out fairly early on in this exploration is that I'm not

[00:29:11] going to be able to fix climate change by myself so once I uh unrealize that I still was really trying to figure out how I could play or how any of us really could could play a role in and what I

[00:29:27] realized is that it really comes down to people you know a lot of humans live near shores also like a lot of people are going to get displaced over not just the next our lifetimes but over the next

[00:29:41] 500 years this is going to be a really big issue and so I've devoted as a long-term brand I've devoted young both into this helping DAW families with displaced dogs who are in these climate related scenarios where they've been displaced in the case of Maui there were over 3000

[00:30:02] dogs who are separated from their families there and when I heard that it really really struck my heart and I wanted to help and so it was a big donation but you know it felt like the right thing to do

[00:30:20] and so yeah on my Instagram you can actually see the videos of arriving just a few days ago and man that was that was so nice to see and yeah huge shout out to some of our partners on it

[00:30:35] you know this I was lucky to be introduced to this legendary guy named Shep Gordon who is Alice Cooper's manager Mike Myers did a whole documentary on him called Superman, highly recommend checking that out

[00:30:50] and you'll see why this is the most interesting man alive and he's also kind of known as the unofficial mayor of Maui so he hooked us up with everyone we needed to actually make this happen

[00:31:02] everything from our boots on the ground you know hooking us up with Maui he means society for that getting all this dog food to all these dogs who are still displaced from their families believe it or not

[00:31:13] many of them most of them and then you know he also hooked us up with this private travel it's like a private kind of members club called Roam Maui that has a whole bunch of private planes that they

[00:31:29] luckily lended to us to fly off our food out there so that we didn't have to pay for it because you can imagine flying to food or food to Maui we're talking like 10 pallets or something here like it was

[00:31:41] a lot of food and yeah that would have been really really costly for a small brand so luckily some partners came in to save the day what a one way to making impact and I'm so many dogs too

[00:31:54] thank you so much yeah and I really hope it's just the beginning um i am starting to talk to people to understand how we can form our own foundation and how we can keep doing this in the future so that

[00:32:07] that is something that we're really really working on the other thing is uh we are hoping that people who watch this go to yamwif.com slash Maui and any contribution you would like to make

[00:32:22] you'll you'll see a link there to our go fund me so any contribution you make is going to go straight to us sending our dog food at our cost without a profit so we will not make any

[00:32:35] profits on this it will actually make probably have a slight loss but it's all for a good cause but yeah I anyone who wants to help the best way to do it is to go to yamwif.com slash Maui

[00:32:49] you know just our go fund me link is there and yeah we're trying to send six times more food this month that's great and I really hope all our listeners as soon as you get off this episode

[00:33:03] you jump on and just go make a small donation because every little bit will make a huge yes thank you for anyone who does that yeah so if our pet parents were going to take away just one

[00:33:13] from this episode what should it be you know my one tip is fats matter look at the fats in in your dog's diet right now look at the pet food label see get just get to know it's in there

[00:33:27] and know that seed oils are very high in omega sixes and oxidize easily when we feed our dog lots of free radicals that's a key cause of cancer in both dogs and humans and you biological

[00:33:43] animal free radicals are bad so you know we can reverse this by feeding more omega threes combined with coconut oil that's the cocoa mega effect that's been shown in all of these studies and so you know just really simply put supplement the right fats coconut oil and

[00:34:03] omega threes lovely and it's so simple and if people want to know more you do have a book and a website can you just mention what they are oh yeah thanks so much for mentioning that

[00:34:13] my book can be found on Amazon it's called the canine cocoa mega effect so it's cocoa mega and I'm jaren Lucas again I'm you know you'll you'll find my name as the author right next to it

[00:34:25] and yeah i think it's a really great way for pet parents who either want to really just dive into some of the really new research around canine longevity and how fats plan to that it's really

[00:34:37] interesting for those people um i find that a lot of the readers who have chosen to read the canine cocoa mega effect have been people whose dogs have really bad allergies like kaleidos or other

[00:34:50] digestive issues obesity is a big one those have been like a few main reasons people have like kind of been in a situation where they really wanted to learn more and and they're looking for

[00:35:03] new ways to help because maybe other things haven't haven't worked yet and you know a lot of times we find in those scenarios you know they're okay well yeah there's like a lot of seed oils in my

[00:35:15] dogs diary now and here were here were some things that I maybe wasn't looking for previously so yeah we dive into all of that in the book that's great and if people want to try your food it's called

[00:35:26] young wolf put it into google um yeah and you'll be able to try jaren's food and as he mentioned he is releasing some new stuff soon so have a look that is very exciting congratulations and thank

[00:35:37] you so much for joining me on this episode yeah thank you so much for such an interesting conversation appreciate appreciate the invite it was great and for our listeners that would like to

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